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Offline chabbie1

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bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« on: August 15, 2016, 09:37:28 PM »
Hi all,
 
 As we were preparing and loading our 2004 21RS for our trip to Mt. Rainier and then down the Oregon coast with N7OQ, we noticed our tub had a crack.   It was like something had run down the top of the tub and then down the corner and actually ate through the tub causing a long crack in the corner.  About a year ago we had put a 3M Command clear plastic caddy on the side of our bathroom sink to store our bug sprays and sunscreen and such. (The 3M plastic caddy actually hangs over the tub.) Upon further inspection, we realized that  a bottle of bug spray with DEET was laying on its side inside the plastic caddy and there was an obvious section that had been "Eaten Through" by the DEET and dripped down onto the top of the tub and down the corner of the tub. Now, we are not too happy about this because we had never used our tub for showers but instead for storage. Because we were going to Mt.Rainier for 5 nights and there aren't any showers inside the National Park, we were getting prepared to use our shower for the first time. Well, that idea was shot to Timbuktu!
 
I never realized how bad DEET is and we actually used to put that chemical on our bodies?  Well, not any more. We instantly confiscated the several bottles we had and threw them away.  I will never use DEET again. 
 
Hopefully, this post will make others think twice about using bug spray with DEET on their bodies as well.
 
 
On another note, we had 2 bow outs on our first day heading North on highway 5. The first was in Corning, CA and then the 2nd was in Weed, CA
Like most campers, we only carry 1 spare and it happened after hours, so no tire shops are open…... Long story short, we made it to Walmart in Yreka,CA  for the night until Les Schwab opened in the morning...we purchased all 4 new tires and went with 15" wheels, and now we have 2 spares! Not sure what happened because our tires were only 3 years old and never in the sun when stored.
There was some damage to the j skirt, and the fender skirt was ripped off and the underneath membrane was ripped.   Luckily, no one was hurt!
After getting 4 new tires and 15" rims in 45 minutes, we headed to Ashland, OR to the next Les Schwab to have them re-torque the wheels. We were in and out of that Les Schwab in less than 10 min.  They were awesome and I'd go back to them in the future. They really took care of us.
………………..AND THAT'S MY LES SCHWAB STORY! 
 
So, now we have a claim with our insurance to get the outside fixed and we will have to take care of the tub either by ourselves or the RV shop. We are also purchasing another spare tire carrier and cover so we will always carry 2 spares!
Not sure we can replace our tub w/shelf to a full tub in our model. I think there is plumbing underneath the shelf part of the tub but not sure.
Anyone, know what's under the shelf part of our tub in a 2004 21RS?




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Re: bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2016, 11:30:17 PM »
Sorry to hear of your tire troubles. I'm assuming they were on the same side?  If so, losing 1 greatly overloads the other one so its more likely to see issues.   Years ago we had a blowout due to a rough road and marginal tire sizing. We drove 30 miles after the change and stopped for the night. On inspection the following morning, we noticed that the other tire looked terrible just like you, all new tires(and one new wheel) and we were on out way. Upgrading size sounds like a good move.


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bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 11:33:40 PM »
Regarding deet, that's a tough one. In many areas you really want to minimize bites due to various diseases from mosquitos and ticks. Deet works good for that so we try to minimize skin contact, but yes bug sprays with deet will eat plastics (watch out around tents and raincoats).   I'd put some gorilla tape over the damage and shower away for this trip. Good luck and enjoy the trip.


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Re: bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2016, 06:16:48 PM »
Just because plastic doesn't like DEET doesn't mean it's bad for you. The same scare stories have been around for coke forever (coke makes a great rust remover). Actually, water and oxygen are extremely corrosive - try eliminating those from your life  :o. Not saying that there may be other perfectly reasonable evidence that DEET may have harmful effects on people, but unless you are made of plastic, the DEET effects on plastic are not relevant to you.

I prefer 100% DEET - it last much longer and I use much less. I've tried many alternatives, but none worked even 1%.



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Re: bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2016, 11:27:52 AM »
Wow, that is crazy about the DEET. We were traveling to Costa Rica and they suggested 100% to prevent bites and I swear by it after that. We only use 40% on the kids though. I agree with Chillypro, I used Coke to remove the rust off the chrome of my beach cruiser bike.

I am also lucky to have never experienced a blow out. Of course now I will since I said that. Glad that you guys are back on the road and Mt. Rainier won't let you down!
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Re: bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2016, 02:52:41 PM »
Just because plastic doesn't like DEET doesn't mean it's bad for you. The same scare stories have been around for coke forever (coke makes a great rust remover). Actually, water and oxygen are extremely corrosive - try eliminating those from your life  :o. Not saying that there may be other perfectly reasonable evidence that DEET may have harmful effects on people, but unless you are made of plastic, the DEET effects on plastic are not relevant to you.

I prefer 100% DEET - it last much longer and I use much less. I've tried many alternatives, but none worked even 1%.

X2 what Chillipyro said..
Was hiking the Lamar Valley in Yellowstone and had on bug repellent without Deet; we got mauled by the "Buffalo Flies" which are "hulked out" horse flies.. had some Deep Woods "40% Deet" Repellant in the pack; put some on and  the Buffalo Flies left us alone.. I swear by the stuff.   
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Re: bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2016, 09:49:00 AM »
My $.02 - for what it is worth.  Haven't used DEET in years.  Even in NH, where the state bird is the mosquito during spring/early summer.  We use a mixture of essential oils that was being sold at a farmers market - works like a champ.  Started buying it when they were selling it buy one, get one.  Thought it was a gimmick, but heck for a five spot why not try it?  Five years later and we are still using it.  Guess the joke was on me.  :o
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Re: bug spray with DEET…….bad stuff!
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2016, 12:58:01 PM »
Last year we tried Picaridin.  Have not looked back.  No stink.  No greasy chemical.  Does not eat plastics etc.  For the areas we camp in - works at least as good as, if not somewhat better than DEET.  I have had very few actual bites this year.  Wife has had several - usually gets dozens.  Lasts ~6-8 hours.

One thing that I have seen that people have a hard time getting over - you don't soak your entire body in the stuff like you do with DEET.  Something mentally sticks with people about having to do that (Soaked and coated = protected) which you do NOT have to do with Picaridin.  Took my wife and I a while to get used to applying it correctly.  Still have to re-apply like DEET but sans the "soak and coat" every inch of our clothing and bodies.  8-10 pumps on body/clothing plus 1-2 in the hands to cover face/neck works well for me. 

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